Valkrr Dragonsworn
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Posted - 2013.10.19 01:27:00 -
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With the stated purpose of making the new player experience easier/better with certificates, I am not sure what the thought process for the Science and Industry certs was. All 4 of them are overly broad and not useful. Combat weapons systems get 12 certs (4 weapon types x 3 size groups), but S&I gets a combined 4? I know S&I is the red headed stepchild of Eve, but wow. We make the ships that keep your combat pilots flying and racking up killboard stats.
A little background on myself, I have 3 toons doing full time T2 invention and 1 doing component building/BPO research. I have done both T1 and T2 manufacturing in NPC and POS. I have my own POS that I manage. I have worked as an inventor for another corp, and now run my own alt corp full of industrialists.
Having stated all of the above, all 4 of my S&I focused toons would not qualify for L1 of any S&I cert. Grouping all of the types of manufacturing into a single cert is worthless.
The Manufacturing L5 cert would take a fresh toon ~716d 18h 3 s to train, and still could only make a small portion of T2 products. Granted, they could make most/all T1 and T3 products, but who does that? Things like Graviton Physics V do nothing for the manufacturer. I would like to see this cert broken into at least 4 different certs, 1 for T1/2/3 manufacturing each, +1 for component building. Maybe some other highly specialized certs for things like outpost construction.
The Datacore cert is kinda silly too. Most inventors only train those skills that relate to what they are trying to invent, and this will just lead newbies way down the wrong path. Not only is this list horribly expensive for a newbie, but at 230.3 M isk in skill books, its a high wall to climb, not to mention the 710d 12h 32m 50 s training time. There should be a datacore skill directed at each of the product groups for invention. i.e. Shields, lasers, etc. This points newbies toward something specific and useful. It will also let corps use these certs to find out quickly if someone is qualified for making a specific product.
The research cert should be broken up by tech level as well.
Below I have linked a google doc with some suggested changes that would better fit the training on a new industrialist. Please donGÇÖt think this is a complete list by far. I only listed 2 example datacore certs, for example.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0As3YY_c6nAa8dFRGVlhlZmNwR1hfdmhjOXV0RldIcGc&output=html
More food for thought on how Industrialists should be trained linked below.
http://eve-prosper.blogspot.com/2013/07/industry-for-newbros.html
http://eve-prosper.blogspot.com/2013/01/everything-you-never-wanted-to-know_24.html
http://www.evemanufacturing.co.uk/
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